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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/making-grown-up-war-v-isis-can-we-do-it/#comment-2416&quot;&gt;sigmaalgebra&lt;/a&gt;.

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The logic of what you say is unassailable. It is frustrating that the admin doesn&#039;t get this as it is basic &quot;industrial warfare&quot; thinking which is what Secretaries and Generals are supposed to do.

Funny thing -- I was in a Toyota dealership looking for a new car for my wife. I said, &quot;Why does ISIS use Toyota?&quot;

Genuinely, the salesman said, &quot;Because Toyotas are dependable in harsh environments.&quot;


True story.


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The logic of what you say is unassailable. It is frustrating that the admin doesn&#8217;t get this as it is basic &#8220;industrial warfare&#8221; thinking which is what Secretaries and Generals are supposed to do.</p>
<p>Funny thing &#8212; I was in a Toyota dealership looking for a new car for my wife. I said, &#8220;Why does ISIS use Toyota?&#8221;</p>
<p>Genuinely, the salesman said, &#8220;Because Toyotas are dependable in harsh environments.&#8221;</p>
<p>True story.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[To make any use of the Internet to use e-mail or &lt;i&gt;social media,&lt;/i&gt; ISIS must have access to the Internet &lt;i&gt;backbone.&lt;/i&gt;  While in principle the Internet backbone and access to it can be wireless, I have to believe that so far it is all via wires or cables in the ground but maybe supplemented via some point to point microwave links.  So, the ISIS areas must have cables that cross their borders with Syria, Turkey, the rest of Iraq, Jordan, the Mediterranean, anywhere else?  That backbone technology is super tricky, high tech stuff, border gateway protocol with optical fibers with dense wavelength division multiplexing, etc.  Just making a cable splice is not easy.  We&#039;re not talking just wire cutters and soldering irons.  Okay, then, cut those cables.  

Of course, there should be an easier way:  For any Internet connections outside the ISIS area that cross the boundary with the ISIS area, just block the communications that crosses the border from outside the ISIS area.  This should require only software, e.g., the DNS tables.  E.g., block their IP addresses.  

Similarly for the international voice phone system.

Then also destroy the Internet and voice phone system connections within the ISIS areas. 

Sure, and similarly for paper mail and physical shipping.  And, of course, whatever they have for an electric power grid.  

Then, sure, destroy their internal supplies of fuel for their vehicles.  They can&#039;t burn crude oil in their Toyota trucks and stolen US Humvees so must import gasoline and/or Diesel oil or must refine it inside the ISIS area.  For the imports, cut that off at the ISIS borders, and for any refineries, bomb those.  

More generally for their vehicles, put up some drones to track all their vehicle movement and destroy any moving vehicles.  

Getting rid of that Baghdadi dirt bag alone might do a lot to slow down ISIS.  

But there is a bigger problem: So far ISIS has had a lot of success in other heavily Islamic countries, e.g., Libya, and there are claims that ISIS has connections with similar groups in dozens of other countries.  E.g., as we now know too well, ISIS has significant connections inside the US and France.

Well, for that ISIS weed, there has to be fertile soil, and somehow that appears to be various cases of Islam, and there the problem appears to be that Islam has a pattern of keeping their culture 1000 years old.  E.g., there is Imam training that takes children, schools them for years with all the schooling just Islam and nothing more modern.  So, the Islamic areas have Islam as their main &lt;i&gt;culture,&lt;/i&gt; and that culture is carried heavily by the Imams who know 1000 year old Islam and essentially nothing else.  That situation, Islam and the Imams, is fertile ground for something like ISIS, i.e., radical Islamic terrorism (RIT).

So, do what we will with ISIS in Libya, Syria, and Iraq, RIT will remain a threat wherever Islam is in the world, in the Philippines, Indonesia (e.g.,, Bali bombing), Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Iran, Iraq, the states of the Persian Gulf, Turkey, Russia (Moscow bombing), China, the Balkans, France (Paris bombing), Germany, England, Sweden, the US (WTC, San Bernardino), etc.  

For now, likely the top of the target list has to be that wacko Baghdadi.  With him gone, maybe the rest of the ISIS areas of Syria and Iraq will become just Sunni Muslims much like under Saddam or in Saudi Arabia.  

Then it would  be good to have a chat with some of the Shiite Muslims in Baghdad about not pissing on the Sunnis.

Then maybe the Saudis with the US, France, Germany, England, Turkey, Russia, and Baghdad can have a productive meeting about &lt;i&gt;reality&lt;/i&gt; with whatever leadership is left in the ISIS areas.  

During these meetings, for &lt;i&gt;security&lt;/i&gt; it might be good to have occasional flyovers of US fighter jets, at low altitude, supersonic, with full afterburner, just to provide appropriate &lt;i&gt;sound effects&lt;/i&gt; to set the &lt;i&gt;tone&lt;/i&gt; of the meeting.  Or, as a US General said entering a Sunni area, IIRC, &quot;I come in peace.  I brought no artillery.  But I swear to God, if you fuck with me, I&#039;ll kill all of you.&quot;.  That&#039;s about the attitude that is needed.

We have to be fully serious and determined:  The ISIS areas can&#039;t use the Internet, the phones, the mail, shipping, burn gasoline or Diesel oil, have any electric power, import or export anything, have access to anything in banking or trade, etc. unless and until they calm down and behave.  E.g., in their desert areas, they won&#039;t have electric power for pumping water, filtering water, flushing toilets, cooking, electric lights, or running air conditioning.  They won&#039;t have vehicles, not even bicycles.  Soon they won&#039;t have buildings but only tents.  They will be down to flocks and camels and then will start losing those.  

But the US will do nothing along these lines before 2017.  Sorry &#039;bout that.  So, let France, Germany, England, Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Baghdad do it -- which is somewhat bad and risky in some respects but not all bad.  E.g., Russia might get &lt;i&gt;influence&lt;/i&gt; and an &lt;i&gt;advantage&lt;/i&gt; in the ISIS areas, but they will likely soon discover that their &lt;i&gt;strategic position&lt;/i&gt; is high cost, low payoff.  After all, as people have noticed, except for the oil, and Russia has a lot of that anyway, it&#039;s many thousands of square miles of just lifeless desert, so nasty it makes Siberia look like a garden of Eden..  

Then the US and the world will still have to be careful about all the RIT Abdul Akbar al Fatwah ali Jihad bin Boom Boom people who tend to explode.  Gotta do something about them.  Here no doubt the Saudis can help -- they actually have not much sympathy with things going boom boom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To make any use of the Internet to use e-mail or <i>social media,</i> ISIS must have access to the Internet <i>backbone.</i>  While in principle the Internet backbone and access to it can be wireless, I have to believe that so far it is all via wires or cables in the ground but maybe supplemented via some point to point microwave links.  So, the ISIS areas must have cables that cross their borders with Syria, Turkey, the rest of Iraq, Jordan, the Mediterranean, anywhere else?  That backbone technology is super tricky, high tech stuff, border gateway protocol with optical fibers with dense wavelength division multiplexing, etc.  Just making a cable splice is not easy.  We&#8217;re not talking just wire cutters and soldering irons.  Okay, then, cut those cables.  </p>
<p>Of course, there should be an easier way:  For any Internet connections outside the ISIS area that cross the boundary with the ISIS area, just block the communications that crosses the border from outside the ISIS area.  This should require only software, e.g., the DNS tables.  E.g., block their IP addresses.  </p>
<p>Similarly for the international voice phone system.</p>
<p>Then also destroy the Internet and voice phone system connections within the ISIS areas. </p>
<p>Sure, and similarly for paper mail and physical shipping.  And, of course, whatever they have for an electric power grid.  </p>
<p>Then, sure, destroy their internal supplies of fuel for their vehicles.  They can&#8217;t burn crude oil in their Toyota trucks and stolen US Humvees so must import gasoline and/or Diesel oil or must refine it inside the ISIS area.  For the imports, cut that off at the ISIS borders, and for any refineries, bomb those.  </p>
<p>More generally for their vehicles, put up some drones to track all their vehicle movement and destroy any moving vehicles.  </p>
<p>Getting rid of that Baghdadi dirt bag alone might do a lot to slow down ISIS.  </p>
<p>But there is a bigger problem: So far ISIS has had a lot of success in other heavily Islamic countries, e.g., Libya, and there are claims that ISIS has connections with similar groups in dozens of other countries.  E.g., as we now know too well, ISIS has significant connections inside the US and France.</p>
<p>Well, for that ISIS weed, there has to be fertile soil, and somehow that appears to be various cases of Islam, and there the problem appears to be that Islam has a pattern of keeping their culture 1000 years old.  E.g., there is Imam training that takes children, schools them for years with all the schooling just Islam and nothing more modern.  So, the Islamic areas have Islam as their main <i>culture,</i> and that culture is carried heavily by the Imams who know 1000 year old Islam and essentially nothing else.  That situation, Islam and the Imams, is fertile ground for something like ISIS, i.e., radical Islamic terrorism (RIT).</p>
<p>So, do what we will with ISIS in Libya, Syria, and Iraq, RIT will remain a threat wherever Islam is in the world, in the Philippines, Indonesia (e.g.,, Bali bombing), Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Iran, Iraq, the states of the Persian Gulf, Turkey, Russia (Moscow bombing), China, the Balkans, France (Paris bombing), Germany, England, Sweden, the US (WTC, San Bernardino), etc.  </p>
<p>For now, likely the top of the target list has to be that wacko Baghdadi.  With him gone, maybe the rest of the ISIS areas of Syria and Iraq will become just Sunni Muslims much like under Saddam or in Saudi Arabia.  </p>
<p>Then it would  be good to have a chat with some of the Shiite Muslims in Baghdad about not pissing on the Sunnis.</p>
<p>Then maybe the Saudis with the US, France, Germany, England, Turkey, Russia, and Baghdad can have a productive meeting about <i>reality</i> with whatever leadership is left in the ISIS areas.  </p>
<p>During these meetings, for <i>security</i> it might be good to have occasional flyovers of US fighter jets, at low altitude, supersonic, with full afterburner, just to provide appropriate <i>sound effects</i> to set the <i>tone</i> of the meeting.  Or, as a US General said entering a Sunni area, IIRC, &#8220;I come in peace.  I brought no artillery.  But I swear to God, if you fuck with me, I&#8217;ll kill all of you.&#8221;.  That&#8217;s about the attitude that is needed.</p>
<p>We have to be fully serious and determined:  The ISIS areas can&#8217;t use the Internet, the phones, the mail, shipping, burn gasoline or Diesel oil, have any electric power, import or export anything, have access to anything in banking or trade, etc. unless and until they calm down and behave.  E.g., in their desert areas, they won&#8217;t have electric power for pumping water, filtering water, flushing toilets, cooking, electric lights, or running air conditioning.  They won&#8217;t have vehicles, not even bicycles.  Soon they won&#8217;t have buildings but only tents.  They will be down to flocks and camels and then will start losing those.  </p>
<p>But the US will do nothing along these lines before 2017.  Sorry &#8217;bout that.  So, let France, Germany, England, Turkey, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Baghdad do it &#8212; which is somewhat bad and risky in some respects but not all bad.  E.g., Russia might get <i>influence</i> and an <i>advantage</i> in the ISIS areas, but they will likely soon discover that their <i>strategic position</i> is high cost, low payoff.  After all, as people have noticed, except for the oil, and Russia has a lot of that anyway, it&#8217;s many thousands of square miles of just lifeless desert, so nasty it makes Siberia look like a garden of Eden..  </p>
<p>Then the US and the world will still have to be careful about all the RIT Abdul Akbar al Fatwah ali Jihad bin Boom Boom people who tend to explode.  Gotta do something about them.  Here no doubt the Saudis can help &#8212; they actually have not much sympathy with things going boom boom.</p>
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Is the US capable of waging grown up war v ISIS?

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You decide.


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<p>Is the US capable of waging grown up war v ISIS?</p>
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<p>You decide.</p>
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