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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/valuation-mojo-tesla-v-ford-v-gm/#comment-3713&quot;&gt;SFG&lt;/a&gt;.

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At some point in time, the law of gravity shows up and demands a final accounting. Tesla is a small company when measure by actual production.

There is no way the big boys don&#039;t go after Tesla and hard. The numbers, right now, are too small to really catch their interest.

When all the foreign cars came to the US, US style met the challenge. Tesla has a first mover advantage which is on life support.

It is only a matter of time.

Give Musk his due. The guy is a huge promoter and as long as the circus is in town, he will be the star. I don&#039;t think you can stuff your failing deal into your mediocre deal more than once.

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<p>.<br />
At some point in time, the law of gravity shows up and demands a final accounting. Tesla is a small company when measure by actual production.</p>
<p>There is no way the big boys don&#8217;t go after Tesla and hard. The numbers, right now, are too small to really catch their interest.</p>
<p>When all the foreign cars came to the US, US style met the challenge. Tesla has a first mover advantage which is on life support.</p>
<p>It is only a matter of time.</p>
<p>Give Musk his due. The guy is a huge promoter and as long as the circus is in town, he will be the star. I don&#8217;t think you can stuff your failing deal into your mediocre deal more than once.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: SFG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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In a weird way, that&#039;s probably a big reason why the hot shot fund managers all dive into TSLA.  A dividend is old school taboo versus revenue growth.  Ultimately, I feel TSLA is one fat, honking short squeeze that will ultimately fall back to earth.  If anyone could scale electric, it probably would be GM or Ford.   But Elon is pretty trendy...]]></description>
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<p>In a weird way, that&#8217;s probably a big reason why the hot shot fund managers all dive into TSLA.  A dividend is old school taboo versus revenue growth.  Ultimately, I feel TSLA is one fat, honking short squeeze that will ultimately fall back to earth.  If anyone could scale electric, it probably would be GM or Ford.   But Elon is pretty trendy&#8230;</p>
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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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And after the 499 miles, with a lot of use of the A/C for July in Texas, you might also want a means of fast recharging.  

IIRC ballpark the battery will have 30 KWh of energy.  So, if in your garage you have a spare  240 V at 200 A circuit, that would be 48 KW so that could get the 30 KWh of energy in

60 * 30 / 48 = 38

minutes.  

Alas, that might overheat the battery so that maybe have to use a garden hose to rinse the battery to cool it while recharging -- maybe, depends on the internal resistance of the battery. 

 A big capacitor would not have this heat problem, but I haven&#039;t heard much about EEStor and their capacitors in a long time.]]></description>
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<p>And after the 499 miles, with a lot of use of the A/C for July in Texas, you might also want a means of fast recharging.  </p>
<p>IIRC ballpark the battery will have 30 KWh of energy.  So, if in your garage you have a spare  240 V at 200 A circuit, that would be 48 KW so that could get the 30 KWh of energy in</p>
<p>60 * 30 / 48 = 38</p>
<p>minutes.  </p>
<p>Alas, that might overheat the battery so that maybe have to use a garden hose to rinse the battery to cool it while recharging &#8212; maybe, depends on the internal resistance of the battery. </p>
<p> A big capacitor would not have this heat problem, but I haven&#8217;t heard much about EEStor and their capacitors in a long time.</p>
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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off Topic:  This just in.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Trump Orders Strikes Against Syrian Regime Airbase in Response to Chemical Attack&lt;/b&gt;

WASHINGTON –President Trump has ordered cruise missile strikes against a Syrian regime military airbase, a defense official said late Thursday.

A U.S. official said “more than 50” Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched at the airbase, located in Western Syria.  That base was where the U.S. believes the Assad regime carried out a chemical weapons attack on Syrian civilians this week.  The strikes were carried out from two U.S. destroyers in the Mediterranean Sea.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

WOW!

“more than 50” Tomahawk cruise missiles ...&quot;.

That&#039;s enough to send a message and have it received loud and clear.

Lesson:  There&#039;s a new sheriff in town.

Message:  Don&#039;t mess with the US.

So, right, maybe Trump had a chat with Jordan&#039;s King Hussein.

Maybe we now know why Bannon just sat in on a National Security Council meeting.

As at

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/05/remarks-president-trump-and-his-majesty-king-abdullah-ii-jordan-joint

in part

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q Before I move on to the King, could I just quickly ask you if the chemical attack crosses a red line for you?

PRESIDENT TRUMP:  It crossed a lot of lines for me.  When you kill innocent children, innocent babies -- babies, little babies -- with a chemical gas that is so lethal -- people were shocked to hear what gas it was -- that crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line.  Many, many lines.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

From

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/the-best-from-mad-dog-mattis/

by Defense Secretary General James Mattis:

&lt;blockquote&gt;You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil.  You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway.  So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.  Actually it’s quite fun to fight them, you know.  It’s a hell of a hoot.  It’s fun to shoot some people.  I’ll be right up there with you.  I like brawling.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And not just Afghanistan but also some parts of Syria?

&quot;guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway.  So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.&quot;

e.g., people who use poison gas to kill babies.

&lt;blockquote&gt; The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event.  That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.&quot;, e.g., people who use poison gas to kill babies?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m going to plead with you, do not cross us.  Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Message likely also received by an arrogant, dangerous fat slob with a bad haircut in North Korea.]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><b>Trump Orders Strikes Against Syrian Regime Airbase in Response to Chemical Attack</b></p>
<p>WASHINGTON –President Trump has ordered cruise missile strikes against a Syrian regime military airbase, a defense official said late Thursday.</p>
<p>A U.S. official said “more than 50” Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched at the airbase, located in Western Syria.  That base was where the U.S. believes the Assad regime carried out a chemical weapons attack on Syrian civilians this week.  The strikes were carried out from two U.S. destroyers in the Mediterranean Sea.  </p></blockquote>
<p>WOW!</p>
<p>“more than 50” Tomahawk cruise missiles &#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s enough to send a message and have it received loud and clear.</p>
<p>Lesson:  There&#8217;s a new sheriff in town.</p>
<p>Message:  Don&#8217;t mess with the US.</p>
<p>So, right, maybe Trump had a chat with Jordan&#8217;s King Hussein.</p>
<p>Maybe we now know why Bannon just sat in on a National Security Council meeting.</p>
<p>As at</p>
<p><a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/05/remarks-president-trump-and-his-majesty-king-abdullah-ii-jordan-joint" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/04/05/remarks-president-trump-and-his-majesty-king-abdullah-ii-jordan-joint</a></p>
<p>in part</p>
<blockquote><p>Q Before I move on to the King, could I just quickly ask you if the chemical attack crosses a red line for you?</p>
<p>PRESIDENT TRUMP:  It crossed a lot of lines for me.  When you kill innocent children, innocent babies &#8212; babies, little babies &#8212; with a chemical gas that is so lethal &#8212; people were shocked to hear what gas it was &#8212; that crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line.  Many, many lines.  </p></blockquote>
<p>From</p>
<p><a href="http://freebeacon.com/national-security/the-best-from-mad-dog-mattis/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://freebeacon.com/national-security/the-best-from-mad-dog-mattis/</a></p>
<p>by Defense Secretary General James Mattis:</p>
<blockquote><p>You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil.  You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway.  So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.  Actually it’s quite fun to fight them, you know.  It’s a hell of a hoot.  It’s fun to shoot some people.  I’ll be right up there with you.  I like brawling.  </p></blockquote>
<p>And not just Afghanistan but also some parts of Syria?</p>
<p>&#8220;guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway.  So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.&#8221;</p>
<p>e.g., people who use poison gas to kill babies.</p>
<blockquote><p> The first time you blow someone away is not an insignificant event.  That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.  </p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.&#8221;, e.g., people who use poison gas to kill babies?</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m going to plead with you, do not cross us.  Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years.  </p></blockquote>
<p>Message likely also received by an arrogant, dangerous fat slob with a bad haircut in North Korea.</p>
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		By: Susan Rubinsky		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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LOL!!!!]]></description>
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<p>LOL!!!!</p>
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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Here BRC is missing out big time and, instead, should offer to each pretty girl/woman posting here, aren&#039;t they all, a nice, cool TX evening, top down ride through the Blue Bonnets to and from some really good BBQ!  Missing out, BRC!!!!!]]></description>
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<p>Here BRC is missing out big time and, instead, should offer to each pretty girl/woman posting here, aren&#8217;t they all, a nice, cool TX evening, top down ride through the Blue Bonnets to and from some really good BBQ!  Missing out, BRC!!!!!</p>
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		By: Andrew Cashion		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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exactly, how mind blowing would that be when they take an old body style make and it a new car inside. would be epic American insanity if they did it. Not sure the italian guy would go for it, the one that runs a big car company.]]></description>
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<p>exactly, how mind blowing would that be when they take an old body style make and it a new car inside. would be epic American insanity if they did it. Not sure the italian guy would go for it, the one that runs a big car company.</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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The issue of how much in Federal subsidies Tesla has gotten is a scandal that nobody wants to tackle.

BRC
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<p>.<br />
The issue of how much in Federal subsidies Tesla has gotten is a scandal that nobody wants to tackle.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2017 22:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Tesla is a great car. If it got 500 miles to the charge -- which it will likely do one day -- I would buy one. But, I just don&#039;t want to worry about the lights going out.

It would also be nice if they had one with a 1966 Impala convertible body style.

BRC
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<p>.<br />
Tesla is a great car. If it got 500 miles to the charge &#8212; which it will likely do one day &#8212; I would buy one. But, I just don&#8217;t want to worry about the lights going out.</p>
<p>It would also be nice if they had one with a 1966 Impala convertible body style.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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could be wrong, a drag race in person would solidify it as they are close.]]></description>
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<p>could be wrong, a drag race in person would solidify it as they are close.</p>
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