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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/north-korean-chinese-vassal-state/#comment-3771&quot;&gt;SFG&lt;/a&gt;.

Right, the cost of a US aircraft carrier would really set back any yacht owner!  Also no newbie can expect to duplicate or equal all the crucial technology for decades of very expensive work.  A US aircraft carrier is so darned expensive, from the first thought through any time at sea, that &quot;if you have to ask the price then you can&#039;t afford it&quot; -- in all the world, essentially only the US can afford it, and we keep a dozen or so ready and are rapidly building the next generation even better and, no doubt, more expensive.]]></description>
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<p>Right, the cost of a US aircraft carrier would really set back any yacht owner!  Also no newbie can expect to duplicate or equal all the crucial technology for decades of very expensive work.  A US aircraft carrier is so darned expensive, from the first thought through any time at sea, that &#8220;if you have to ask the price then you can&#8217;t afford it&#8221; &#8212; in all the world, essentially only the US can afford it, and we keep a dozen or so ready and are rapidly building the next generation even better and, no doubt, more expensive.</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/north-korean-chinese-vassal-state/#comment-3777&quot;&gt;sigmaalgebra&lt;/a&gt;.

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Blind pig scenario.

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<p>.<br />
Blind pig scenario.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/north-korean-chinese-vassal-state/#comment-3773&quot;&gt;JLM&lt;/a&gt;.

More good stuff I didn&#039;t see in the MSM.

Yes, the US has &#062;= 1 SSBN (submarine launched ballistic missile submarines) near Korea.  We may also have some US attack submarines that specialize in detecting, finding, tracking other submarines.  Thus, a NK submarine that tries to get close enough to attack a US aircraft carrier stands to get sunk.

Right, US defense analysts have gamed out such scenarios and how to protect a US aircraft carrier, the US SSBN fleet, etc.  for a very long time.  I have high confidence that NK won&#039;t even touch the US fleet.

One little point:  It&#039;s a big ocean out there, and NK stands to have some severe difficulty even knowing where the heck the US fleet actually is.

For NK to find a US submarine?  Not a chance!]]></description>
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<p>More good stuff I didn&#8217;t see in the MSM.</p>
<p>Yes, the US has &gt;= 1 SSBN (submarine launched ballistic missile submarines) near Korea.  We may also have some US attack submarines that specialize in detecting, finding, tracking other submarines.  Thus, a NK submarine that tries to get close enough to attack a US aircraft carrier stands to get sunk.</p>
<p>Right, US defense analysts have gamed out such scenarios and how to protect a US aircraft carrier, the US SSBN fleet, etc.  for a very long time.  I have high confidence that NK won&#8217;t even touch the US fleet.</p>
<p>One little point:  It&#8217;s a big ocean out there, and NK stands to have some severe difficulty even knowing where the heck the US fleet actually is.</p>
<p>For NK to find a US submarine?  Not a chance!</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/north-korean-chinese-vassal-state/#comment-3775&quot;&gt;SFG&lt;/a&gt;.

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I think you have to throw up a cordon 750 miles out and not let anyone in.

Once the shooting starts, the airfields are destroyed.

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<p>.<br />
I think you have to throw up a cordon 750 miles out and not let anyone in.</p>
<p>Once the shooting starts, the airfields are destroyed.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: SFG		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/north-korean-chinese-vassal-state/#comment-3773&quot;&gt;JLM&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for this information.  The YJ-18 sure is a nasty missile.  Interesting how it needs to be launched via air and can fly wave top that fast.  Besides the sea wiz guns, what do we deploy to kill incoming missiles?]]></description>
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<p>Thank you for this information.  The YJ-18 sure is a nasty missile.  Interesting how it needs to be launched via air and can fly wave top that fast.  Besides the sea wiz guns, what do we deploy to kill incoming missiles?</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Maybe Sigma is Mad Dog?

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<p>.<br />
Maybe Sigma is Mad Dog?</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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The challenge for an aircraft carrier deployed so close to land is simple, stupid stuff like an old fashioned Exocet missile which sunk the HMS Sheffield in the Falklands War in 1982.

They were good for about 40 nm and the Brits took a lot of hits from them. That was the last naval exchange with a bluewater navy.

Today, there is a whole new bunch of supersonic anti-ship missiles with a range of 250 nm. That sound like a long distance, but it would be nothing for an aircraft carrier to operate 500 nm from the coast. That&#039;s an hour&#039;s ride for the planes for dry feet.

The Chinese have the newest badass export anti-ship missile in the CM-302. Nobody knows if anybody has bought any of them, but the Chinese say they are for sale.

They are land, ship, submarine, jeep launchable which means a sub could get close to the fleet and fire away.

I wonder if NK has any of them and whether the Chinese would want them to test them for them.

The Chinese have their YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile which is not for export. It has a range of 400 km and a 205 lbs warhead. It is only able to be launched by air. You can imagine how difficult things might get if six planes were spread out with YJ-12s and 400 nm distant from our fleet.

This is why an aircraft carrier has to control the sky for 700 miles in all directions.

The Chinese YJ-18 has the ability to approach its target at 995 kmh and to accelerate to Mach 3 at wave top level as it closes.

This is a game with our anti-missile weapons and their anti-ship missiles playing the range and accuracy card against each other.

We win the long game, because we destroy the launch equipment. It may be expensive in the short term if an NK sub gets in range and fires off every one of its missiles.

After the first shot, one has to imagine the NK Navy is on life support with no chance for recovery. This kind of thing gets big fast.

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<p>.<br />
The challenge for an aircraft carrier deployed so close to land is simple, stupid stuff like an old fashioned Exocet missile which sunk the HMS Sheffield in the Falklands War in 1982.</p>
<p>They were good for about 40 nm and the Brits took a lot of hits from them. That was the last naval exchange with a bluewater navy.</p>
<p>Today, there is a whole new bunch of supersonic anti-ship missiles with a range of 250 nm. That sound like a long distance, but it would be nothing for an aircraft carrier to operate 500 nm from the coast. That&#8217;s an hour&#8217;s ride for the planes for dry feet.</p>
<p>The Chinese have the newest badass export anti-ship missile in the CM-302. Nobody knows if anybody has bought any of them, but the Chinese say they are for sale.</p>
<p>They are land, ship, submarine, jeep launchable which means a sub could get close to the fleet and fire away.</p>
<p>I wonder if NK has any of them and whether the Chinese would want them to test them for them.</p>
<p>The Chinese have their YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missile which is not for export. It has a range of 400 km and a 205 lbs warhead. It is only able to be launched by air. You can imagine how difficult things might get if six planes were spread out with YJ-12s and 400 nm distant from our fleet.</p>
<p>This is why an aircraft carrier has to control the sky for 700 miles in all directions.</p>
<p>The Chinese YJ-18 has the ability to approach its target at 995 kmh and to accelerate to Mach 3 at wave top level as it closes.</p>
<p>This is a game with our anti-missile weapons and their anti-ship missiles playing the range and accuracy card against each other.</p>
<p>We win the long game, because we destroy the launch equipment. It may be expensive in the short term if an NK sub gets in range and fires off every one of its missiles.</p>
<p>After the first shot, one has to imagine the NK Navy is on life support with no chance for recovery. This kind of thing gets big fast.</p>
<p>JLM</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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General Sigma, your Top-Secret battle plan has been approved and has been forwarded to the Pentagon.  Thank you for your service to our country.  Mad-Dog will be in contact with you once we are ready to launch our attack.]]></description>
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<p>General Sigma, your Top-Secret battle plan has been approved and has been forwarded to the Pentagon.  Thank you for your service to our country.  Mad-Dog will be in contact with you once we are ready to launch our attack.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I opine now that China is waiting for we ADD Americans to forget about NK (once again) and go back to fussing over Russia 24/7 -- so life goes on back to the status quo.  

Seeing the Carl Vincent off the NK coastline is pretty awesome.  A few years ago, I was up in SF for fleet week (I&#039;m a total ship nerd) and we were walking across the golden gate bridge when the CV sailed right below us with her crew all lined up around the edges of the ship.  Needless to say, all of we civilians were yelling and screaming like crazy people!  It was really cool to see SO much ship from such a vantage point.  Fat Fuck would not dare to put even a scratch on the CV -- or else.  #Our Navy is pretty stinking bad ass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I opine now that China is waiting for we ADD Americans to forget about NK (once again) and go back to fussing over Russia 24/7 &#8212; so life goes on back to the status quo.  </p>
<p>Seeing the Carl Vincent off the NK coastline is pretty awesome.  A few years ago, I was up in SF for fleet week (I&#8217;m a total ship nerd) and we were walking across the golden gate bridge when the CV sailed right below us with her crew all lined up around the edges of the ship.  Needless to say, all of we civilians were yelling and screaming like crazy people!  It was really cool to see SO much ship from such a vantage point.  Fat Fuck would not dare to put even a scratch on the CV &#8212; or else.  #Our Navy is pretty stinking bad ass.</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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An interesting well done rant. 

The US interest is not having a nuclear NK. Period.

The Chinese interest is as I noted above.

The problem is Kim.

Right now, China has control over NK, but only if they are willing to cut off the oil. Even that may not control Kim.

If Kim falls, the highest likelihood is some rapprochement with South Korea W Germany/E Germany style. This is the last thing China wants.

Yesterday, Kim achieved something he has wanted forever. The US said it would engage in direct talks with NK. This is a huge propaganda coup. I think the US should talk to anyone and everyone. But, still, it makes NK look legit.

This problem does not have very long legs.

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<p>.<br />
An interesting well done rant. </p>
<p>The US interest is not having a nuclear NK. Period.</p>
<p>The Chinese interest is as I noted above.</p>
<p>The problem is Kim.</p>
<p>Right now, China has control over NK, but only if they are willing to cut off the oil. Even that may not control Kim.</p>
<p>If Kim falls, the highest likelihood is some rapprochement with South Korea W Germany/E Germany style. This is the last thing China wants.</p>
<p>Yesterday, Kim achieved something he has wanted forever. The US said it would engage in direct talks with NK. This is a huge propaganda coup. I think the US should talk to anyone and everyone. But, still, it makes NK look legit.</p>
<p>This problem does not have very long legs.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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