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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2017 20:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4256&quot;&gt;alexanderjarvis&lt;/a&gt;.

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You pay an employee six months of severance over six months in accordance with your normal pay cycle.

I always said, &quot;We are going to head a little different direction and your position is no longer going to be available.&quot;

Then, I shut up and began to talk about severance.

You cannot ever provide an adequate explanation of why you are essentially &quot;rejecting&quot; an employee. It is a legal minefield. Don&#039;t get into the minefield.

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<p>.<br />
You pay an employee six months of severance over six months in accordance with your normal pay cycle.</p>
<p>I always said, &#8220;We are going to head a little different direction and your position is no longer going to be available.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, I shut up and began to talk about severance.</p>
<p>You cannot ever provide an adequate explanation of why you are essentially &#8220;rejecting&#8221; an employee. It is a legal minefield. Don&#8217;t get into the minefield.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: alexanderjarvis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can you expound on &quot;Pay them their severance over the normal pay cycle. No lump sums.&quot; I don&#039;t quite understand how you defer severance? Cheers!
Also, I&#039;ve fired a lot of people and they always want to discuss why. How do you manage that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you expound on &#8220;Pay them their severance over the normal pay cycle. No lump sums.&#8221; I don&#8217;t quite understand how you defer severance? Cheers!<br />
Also, I&#8217;ve fired a lot of people and they always want to discuss why. How do you manage that?</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4213&quot;&gt;karen_e&lt;/a&gt;.

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Or husband.

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<p>.<br />
Or husband.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: karen_e		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4196&quot;&gt;LE&lt;/a&gt;.

Or husband.]]></description>
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<p>Or husband.</p>
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		By: Adam Sher		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2017 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4191&quot;&gt;sigmaalgebra&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;But I&#039;m no expert at organizational behavior. But I do suspect that for a firing, (A) the real fault is with the organization and the CEO and not the employee and, in that case, (B) firing the employee will just be a big loss without solving the real problem that the CEO needs to solve.&quot;

&quot;A&quot; can be true but &quot;B&quot; is probably not true unless a company is about to run out of money (or in the extremely toxic politicking environment you described)

Sometimes the company need to make more money and the CEO or HR person implements a systematic and objective approach to reduce head count.

Sometimes a department does not deliver the outcome a CEO needs even though the individual employees may deliver solid work.

Sometimes solid workers become overpaid and there is not room at the company for this person to stay in a different role and at a more appropriate salary (this may be because other department leaders do not have or want that person in his or her department or because the person&#039;s skill set is not applicable to another department).

If this happens to 1 employee, a company can usually figure out how to keep that person if they add to the company&#039;s culture or some related intangible. If this happens for more than 1 person, the cost of maintaining this inefficient structure will be deleterious to a company.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;But I&#8217;m no expert at organizational behavior. But I do suspect that for a firing, (A) the real fault is with the organization and the CEO and not the employee and, in that case, (B) firing the employee will just be a big loss without solving the real problem that the CEO needs to solve.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A&#8221; can be true but &#8220;B&#8221; is probably not true unless a company is about to run out of money (or in the extremely toxic politicking environment you described)</p>
<p>Sometimes the company need to make more money and the CEO or HR person implements a systematic and objective approach to reduce head count.</p>
<p>Sometimes a department does not deliver the outcome a CEO needs even though the individual employees may deliver solid work.</p>
<p>Sometimes solid workers become overpaid and there is not room at the company for this person to stay in a different role and at a more appropriate salary (this may be because other department leaders do not have or want that person in his or her department or because the person&#8217;s skill set is not applicable to another department).</p>
<p>If this happens to 1 employee, a company can usually figure out how to keep that person if they add to the company&#8217;s culture or some related intangible. If this happens for more than 1 person, the cost of maintaining this inefficient structure will be deleterious to a company.</p>
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		By: LE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2017 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agree and good list. Only thing I would add is &#039;tell them something positive that they can tell their wife&#039;.

In other words something that you know they will repeat, that is positive, and that allows them to save face when telling others (including their wife).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree and good list. Only thing I would add is &#8216;tell them something positive that they can tell their wife&#8217;.</p>
<p>In other words something that you know they will repeat, that is positive, and that allows them to save face when telling others (including their wife).</p>
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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2017 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4194&quot;&gt;JLM&lt;/a&gt;.

&#062; Why would they not be? 

Of course they are concerned.  But the NYT, WaPo, CBS, ..., are awash with people saying every bad thing they can thing of about Trump, just saying those things, no evidence, no reality, just nasty accusations, all fake.  So, the voters need to be reminded of how much Trump and Melania really do care, and for that &quot;a picture is worth 1000 words&quot;.

For the media lies about Trump, each morning they are half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on, and the pictures can help with the truth.

&#062; She&#039;s a national treasure.

Of COURSE she is.  We&#039;re darned lucky to have her. Sometimes she looks vulnerable:  I very much hope she is okay.

One little point is, those dress designers who claimed early on to refuse to dress her by now can see that they missed out big league!  Apparently nearly every time she steps out of the White House, she is wearing some new designer original, and wearing it very well in excellent taste!  At full retail, her dress budget must be north of $25,000 a week!  The designers she is buying from are getting total big league advertising!  I learned only a tiny drop about women&#039;s clothes from my wife and know next to nothing, but to me Melania does well with clothes.

When Melania is with children, her face lights up with kilowatts of smiles!]]></description>
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<p>&gt; Why would they not be? </p>
<p>Of course they are concerned.  But the NYT, WaPo, CBS, &#8230;, are awash with people saying every bad thing they can thing of about Trump, just saying those things, no evidence, no reality, just nasty accusations, all fake.  So, the voters need to be reminded of how much Trump and Melania really do care, and for that &#8220;a picture is worth 1000 words&#8221;.</p>
<p>For the media lies about Trump, each morning they are half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on, and the pictures can help with the truth.</p>
<p>&gt; She&#8217;s a national treasure.</p>
<p>Of COURSE she is.  We&#8217;re darned lucky to have her. Sometimes she looks vulnerable:  I very much hope she is okay.</p>
<p>One little point is, those dress designers who claimed early on to refuse to dress her by now can see that they missed out big league!  Apparently nearly every time she steps out of the White House, she is wearing some new designer original, and wearing it very well in excellent taste!  At full retail, her dress budget must be north of $25,000 a week!  The designers she is buying from are getting total big league advertising!  I learned only a tiny drop about women&#8217;s clothes from my wife and know next to nothing, but to me Melania does well with clothes.</p>
<p>When Melania is with children, her face lights up with kilowatts of smiles!</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2017 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4193&quot;&gt;sigmaalgebra&lt;/a&gt;.

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I think his and the FLOTUS&#039; concerns are genuine. Why would they not be? She&#039;s a national treasure.

BRC
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<p>.<br />
I think his and the FLOTUS&#8217; concerns are genuine. Why would they not be? She&#8217;s a national treasure.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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		By: sigmaalgebra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2017 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mostly off-topic:  There&#039;s an old remark:

&lt;blockquote&gt;We don&#039;t care how much you know until we know how much you care.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, one way for Trump to get more voter support for the practical things he knows will help the country is to show the voters how much he cares.  

So, e.g., there is

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/10/AP_17277685179637-1024x734.jpg

That and similar pictures should help.

The guy &#038; Melania DO look like they really care.  I never doubted that, but such images should help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly off-topic:  There&#8217;s an old remark:</p>
<blockquote><p>We don&#8217;t care how much you know until we know how much you care.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, one way for Trump to get more voter support for the practical things he knows will help the country is to show the voters how much he cares.  </p>
<p>So, e.g., there is</p>
<p><a href="http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/10/AP_17277685179637-1024x734.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/10/AP_17277685179637-1024&#215;734.jpg</a></p>
<p>That and similar pictures should help.</p>
<p>The guy &amp; Melania DO look like they really care.  I never doubted that, but such images should help.</p>
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		By: JLM		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2017 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/firing-laying-off-ceo-shoptalk/#comment-4191&quot;&gt;sigmaalgebra&lt;/a&gt;.

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One of the other duties of a CEO is to be clear as to job description and objectives. An employee has a legitimate beef if they are not aware of the objectives, their job description, or have not been counseled to improve.

Nobody gets a perfect performance appraisal, so one must assume that there is ample opportunity to improve performance through performance appraisal.

BRC
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<p>.<br />
One of the other duties of a CEO is to be clear as to job description and objectives. An employee has a legitimate beef if they are not aware of the objectives, their job description, or have not been counseled to improve.</p>
<p>Nobody gets a perfect performance appraisal, so one must assume that there is ample opportunity to improve performance through performance appraisal.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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