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That one, he&#039;s a goober.


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That one, he&#8217;s a goober.</p>
<p>BRC<br />
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					<description><![CDATA[BRC, you are wide awake today and very much in command of some good facts.

E.g., BRC, you have budget details not so easy to find, essentially impossible to find in our &lt;i&gt;mainstream media&lt;/i&gt; (MSM).

&lt;blockquote&gt; And he is not even remotely embarrassed at his own ineptitude and that may be the real story, y’all.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yup, and this has been true for a long time.

&quot;Long time&quot;?  Yup.  E.g., back in the fall of 2009, the US had a big debate about Obamacare.  There were town halls, etc., and Obama participated in some of them.

At one of the town halls, Obama made a comment about the cost of a limb amputation and had his facts badly, to quote, &quot;WRONG&quot;.

So, right away at

&lt;blockquote&gt; http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html &lt;/blockquote&gt;

was in part

&lt;blockquote&gt; News from the American College of Surgeons

Releases:  August 12, 2009

Contact:  Sally Garneski 312-202-5409 or Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232

Statement from the American College of Surgeons

Regarding Recent Comments from President Obama &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The URL above is still recognized by the server at FACS.ORG, but the particular page is no longer there.  However, dear reader, I did keep a copy!

There, commenting on Obama&#039;s remark, the American College of Surgeons (ACS) used words:

&lt;blockquote&gt; uninformed

facts completely wrong

ill-informed

dangerous

alarming

inflammatory

incorrect &lt;/blockquote&gt;

As much the same as it is easy to wish now,

&lt;blockquote&gt; We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tough to justify that &quot;assume&quot;.

So, Obama is often &quot;WRONG&quot;.

And, he doesn&#039;t care.

Just why is Obama this way?  I suspect that early in 2017 there will be some &lt;i&gt;tell-all&lt;/i&gt; books that will explain better than I can guess now.

But for now, to be clear, the full text of the ACS statement is:

&lt;blockquote&gt; News from the American College of Surgeons

Releases:  August 12, 2009

Contact:  Sally Garneski 312-202-5409 or Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232

Statement from the American College of Surgeons Regarding Recent Comments from President Obama

CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States.  When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform.  We want to set the record straight.

Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong.  He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation.  This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation.  Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.

Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money.  That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do.  Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.

We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation.  But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon.  The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.

We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.

About the American College of Surgeons

The American College of Surgeons is a scientific and educational organization of surgeons that was founded in 1913 to raise the standards of surgical practice and to improve the care of the surgical patient.  The College is dedicated to the ethical and competent practice of surgery.  Its achievements have significantly influenced the course of scientific surgery in America and have established it as an important advocate for all surgical patients.  The College has more than 74,000 members and is the largest organization of surgeons in the world.

Web site:  www.facs.org

# # #

Online August 13, 2009

News from the College

This page and all contents are Copyright © 2009 by the American College of Surgeons, Chicago, IL 60611-3211 &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BRC, you are wide awake today and very much in command of some good facts.</p>
<p>E.g., BRC, you have budget details not so easy to find, essentially impossible to find in our <i>mainstream media</i> (MSM).</p>
<blockquote><p> And he is not even remotely embarrassed at his own ineptitude and that may be the real story, y’all.  </p></blockquote>
<p>Yup, and this has been true for a long time.</p>
<p>&#8220;Long time&#8221;?  Yup.  E.g., back in the fall of 2009, the US had a big debate about Obamacare.  There were town halls, etc., and Obama participated in some of them.</p>
<p>At one of the town halls, Obama made a comment about the cost of a limb amputation and had his facts badly, to quote, &#8220;WRONG&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, right away at</p>
<blockquote><p> <a href="http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html</a> </p></blockquote>
<p>was in part</p>
<blockquote><p> News from the American College of Surgeons</p>
<p>Releases:  August 12, 2009</p>
<p>Contact:  Sally Garneski 312-202-5409 or Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232</p>
<p>Statement from the American College of Surgeons</p>
<p>Regarding Recent Comments from President Obama </p></blockquote>
<p>The URL above is still recognized by the server at FACS.ORG, but the particular page is no longer there.  However, dear reader, I did keep a copy!</p>
<p>There, commenting on Obama&#8217;s remark, the American College of Surgeons (ACS) used words:</p>
<blockquote><p> uninformed</p>
<p>facts completely wrong</p>
<p>ill-informed</p>
<p>dangerous</p>
<p>alarming</p>
<p>inflammatory</p>
<p>incorrect </p></blockquote>
<p>As much the same as it is easy to wish now,</p>
<blockquote><p> We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, </p></blockquote>
<p>Tough to justify that &#8220;assume&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, Obama is often &#8220;WRONG&#8221;.</p>
<p>And, he doesn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>Just why is Obama this way?  I suspect that early in 2017 there will be some <i>tell-all</i> books that will explain better than I can guess now.</p>
<p>But for now, to be clear, the full text of the ACS statement is:</p>
<blockquote><p> News from the American College of Surgeons</p>
<p>Releases:  August 12, 2009</p>
<p>Contact:  Sally Garneski 312-202-5409 or Barbara Hemberger 952-346-6232</p>
<p>Statement from the American College of Surgeons Regarding Recent Comments from President Obama</p>
<p>CHICAGO—The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States.  When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform.  We want to set the record straight.</p>
<p>Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong.  He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation.  This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation.  Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.</p>
<p>Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money.  That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do.  Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.</p>
<p>We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation.  But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon.  The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.</p>
<p>We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.</p>
<p>About the American College of Surgeons</p>
<p>The American College of Surgeons is a scientific and educational organization of surgeons that was founded in 1913 to raise the standards of surgical practice and to improve the care of the surgical patient.  The College is dedicated to the ethical and competent practice of surgery.  Its achievements have significantly influenced the course of scientific surgery in America and have established it as an important advocate for all surgical patients.  The College has more than 74,000 members and is the largest organization of surgeons in the world.</p>
<p>Web site:  <a href="http://www.facs.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.facs.org</a></p>
<p># # #</p>
<p>Online August 13, 2009</p>
<p>News from the College</p>
<p>This page and all contents are Copyright © 2009 by the American College of Surgeons, Chicago, IL 60611-3211 </p></blockquote>
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